Israel-Gaza war

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Israel from Space

Laki and the other <self censored> want you to change that to "occupied Palestine from Space".

I thought you were opposed to public displays of self gratification, especially in groups.

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If Ukraine is invaded by Russia, Ukrainians have the right to fight back
When my country was invaded by Germany (TWICE), we have the right to fight back.
When Armenia is invaded by Azerbaijan, Armenia has the right to fight back
The same applies to Palestine.
The country is occupied as of today.
This is self defence.

You just don't get it do you? Or at least, that's the charitable explanation.
Killing civilians is a bad thing. Why can't you condemn that?

Is it because the people being killed are Jewish?

So my post calling this out as reductionist was deleted, but Conservatopia gets to accuse others of literally wanting to kill people cause they're Jewish?

Bullsh**t.

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If Ukraine is invaded by Russia, Ukrainians have the right to fight back
When my country was invaded by Germany (TWICE), we have the right to fight back.
When Armenia is invaded by Azerbaijan, Armenia has the right to fight back
The same applies to Palestine.
The country is occupied as of today.
This is self defence.

You just don't get it do you? Or at least, that's the charitable explanation.
Killing civilians is a bad thing. Why can't you condemn that?

Is it because the people being killed are Jewish?

So my post calling this out as reductionist was deleted, but Conservatopia gets to accuse others of literally wanting to kill people cause they're Jewish?

Bullsh**t.

"reductionist" innocent people are being slaughtered, take the twitter leftist speak elsewhere

Yes, innocent Israelis and Palestinians because of theological dogma. Many of these people don't give a crap about civilian lives or peace for the people living in that region. They just see Israel as a proxy chance to go beat-up some brown people and/or make their evangelical bible fantasies come true.

Say take your fake indignation somewhere else.

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DavidB. liking this posts makes me lmao, but other than that you're right. And that's usually why this is a topic I don't engage often on until I saw him making death threats in different languages.

You are a hypocrite dude (DavidB). Other than that, I hope this conflict comes to an end soon /w as few casualties as possible. I feel like that's the minimum most rational people can agree on these days (hopefully).

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MODERATOR WARNING: I understand how this thread can quickly become heated and respect that different people have differing views and opinions on the matter. However, any kind of inappropriate posts, including support for indiscriminate killing of civilians, and severe personal attacks against other posters will not be tolerated. This thread has been cleaned up and several posts deleted, most without infraction. As much as reasonably possible, please keep discussion on-topic and respectful.

For making several extremely inappropriate posts cheering on indiscriminate killing of civilians, MATTROSE94 has been muted from this board from 24 hours.

DavidB stated in a post, he wished for my death in my native language.

English is the main language of this forum but is posting in another actually against the rules?

Uh? Yes. Anything against the rules in English should be against the rules in any language outside of drastic differences in interpretation of meaning. What sort of question is this?

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This is a terrible tragedy, both for the Israelis killed by the Hamas attack and especially for all innocent Palestinians who will no doubt be in IDF prison camps by the end of the month, if the regime even allows them to live that long.

"I'm sorry for both the victims, and the future victims of the terrible scenario I made up in my head".

What "future victims" the IDF has already killed twice as many people as Israeli dead afaik from the last BBC update I saw. We all know how this goes.

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Quite a few people suddenly comfortable with advocating for the elimination of another seven million Jews. Wish I could be surprised, but I'm not.

Not true, and you can't quote a single person who's even alluded to that, cause it was never said.

But since this just keeps getting said over and over and it's become pointless to call it out anymore since 2/3rds of the forum seems alright /w this behavior.

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It would be useful if this thread did not turn into a classic internet thread about ~The Conflict~ and be rendered as completely unreadable to non-psychopaths as something important and awful has happened and there are people who might wish to follow updates and to discuss things. Plenty of other places online where you can all defecate for attention.

This PLEASE!!! C’mon people, you don’t have to respond to every comment that says “this is horrible” with “actually, this is the consequences of decades of occupation, I’m very smart”. We know. Now can you please, please, let this thread be about the situation at hand? Myself, and I presume other serious posters, will simply stop updating and providing analysis here at this rate because everything is drowned out by pages of the same old arguments.

This genuinely feels like gas-lighting, cause it was the pro-israeli users throwing out insults, homophobic remarks and death threats.

I'll leave it at that and won't post here any more, but some of you have giant, giant planks in your eye. And I reject that discussing the Palestinian POV in this thread is somehow 'off-topic'.

Madness.

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Not to derail a fascinating thread about whether Palestinians should be able to vote in Israeli elections, but does anyone know where I can find updates on the ongoing war?

These comments are getting really annoying, far more annoying than anything you are responding to. The Palestinian POV, and everything that comes with it, is part of this conflict, idk what you guys want. Maybe start a thread where you can circle-jerk in peace I guess?

Or go to a real news source?

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Not to derail a fascinating thread about whether Palestinians should be able to vote in Israeli elections, but does anyone know where I can find updates on the ongoing war?

These comments are getting really annoying, far more annoying than anything you are responding to. The Palestinian POV, and everything that comes with it, is part of this conflict, idk what you guys want. Maybe start a thread where you can circle-jerk in peace I guess?

To most of us this subject has been litigated enough and we might want actual details on the new conflict. No service is being provided to anyone here by incessantly pointing out the Palestinian POV, nor the Israeli one for that matter. Anyone posting on this forum knows enough and some of us wants news/updates.

Then, as I suggested in my edited post, go to a real news source? But the fact is that 'not presenting the Palestinian view' in this thread just leaves the 10 other Warhawks calling for Gaza to be 'glassed' to go off so it's a disingenuous suggestion.

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Not to derail a fascinating thread about whether Palestinians should be able to vote in Israeli elections, but does anyone know where I can find updates on the ongoing war?

These comments are getting really annoying, far more annoying than anything you are responding to. The Palestinian POV, and everything that comes with it, is part of this conflict, idk what you guys want. Maybe start a thread where you can circle-jerk in peace I guess?

Or go to a real news source?

Oh ffs.

This is a thread documenting a current event. The point of the discussion here is to discuss and try to keep up to date on what is happening right now, and to have discussion pertaining directly to that.

The back-and forth quote pyramid arguments that have been happening in this thread are identical to arguments that have been made and fully drawn out tens of times on this forum alone -  not to mention millions of times on literally every space on the Internet. None of it is new or even remotely informed by what is currently happening; it is simply rehashing arguments that literally everyone has already seen before.

And your argument is also not new. It's been repeated in every thread on a common point of contention on Atlas ad nauseam. Your point?

It's literally human nature. And putting that aside, it's clear that only one POV is being criticized and asked to silence themselves in the way above.

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Israel is specifically telling people where to go to avoid bombings.

Citation needed, because I only see calls to leave one's building or Gaza entirely (from Netanyahu).

False. There are maps asking the residents of perimeter neighbourhoods to move to the inner city.

I'm still waiting for a source.

Funny, I've been waiting for a source for months on who's putting pressure on Biden to pardon Trump.

The brain-dead recommends on this post, after I was castigated for being ‘off-topic’ by multiple Israeli apologists is insane.

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There is no civilian administration that is possible in Gaza that is friendly to Israel. Establishing rigged elections and hoping westerners buy it isn't gonna work.

Would a Fatah/PLO regime not be more peaceful with Israel than a Hamas regime? I don't what the outcome of a fair election would be, perhaps they might just elect Hamas so Israel could install Fatah undemocratically and it could govern in tandem with the West Bank.

Fatah/PLO explicitly funds lone wolf terrorism via the pay to slay policy so you wouldn't want to back them.

Best head of an interim civilian administration who I can think of would be Mansour Abbas.

PFLP or bust.

The PFLP declared that its goal was to "create a people's democratic Palestine, where Arabs and Jews would live without discrimination, a state without classes and national oppression, a state which allows Arabs and Jews to develop their national culture."

Obviously unrealistic today, I know this. But one can dream.

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https://twitter.com/nccm/status/1711107855032651786?s=20
https://twitter.com/nccm/status/1711128523564585337?s=20
Will this type of rift expand to other countries or in more significant ways? I really hope and don't believe it will but either way it's unfortunate.

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https://twitter.com/Worldchairman_1/status/1711553099565826232?s=20

This is a horrific statement, 'human animals' these fascists say? Apparently it took a couple of days for Ultra-Zionists to start spouting the same nonsense Hamas spouts about Jews after decades of prison like conditions, which this statement proves and confirms.

Israel uses it's immense power to effect horrible conditions in the Palestinian Territories and especially Gaza, these conditions foment unrest and resentment which leads to these attacks and back-and-forth skirmishes which leads Israel to again worsen conditions. And thus the cycle continues.

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Again--where is this diversity of opinion in the American (or especially British in the past couple years) press?
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1711391086609117660?s=20

Oh... So diversity of opinion means ever country has to have a press that parrots your opinion?

We get it.  2 million Gazans are stuck in an open prison that they can leave anytime they wish. They just can't go into Judea, because they can't be trusted not to murder and rape Jewish women and children.  

Where are they 'free to leave anytime' to? The Mediterranean Sea presumably? Israel doesn't even allow married Gazan's to travel between the strip and the West Bank afaik. I'm truly dumbfounded by this statement.

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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1711928227239797075?s=20
The hate is spreading on all sides, and so the world continues to burn.

For the people pretending like this is restricted to Pro-Palestinian protests, which I see a lot of above, you're delusional.

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Bernie Sanders is one of the greatest

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1712123827273019648?t=OmWYJ7Syi-aY_CMxR95N...

Translation: my base still hates Israel so I must capitulate to their demands. War is bad when it's Israel. It's good when it's against russia

You're the most brain-dead, non-banned commentator here.

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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1712317048976490520?s=20

Screw people like Lindsey Graham and every evangelical who uses this conflict to LARP.

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https://twitter.com/barakravid/status/1712566959252885504?s=46

If this is confirmed, forget financial crimes and corruption, if the Israelis are serious about holding those responsible for these attacks other than the direct perpetrators like Hamas through negligence to account, BiBi should be facing court martial / treason charges. The bastard.

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I think the brutal truth is that the Egyptian government would rather the Israelis kill them (directly or indirectly) than have to look after 2 million refugees.

In that case, which party would be the main culprit: Egypt for not accepting them, or Israel for killing them? Should Egypt accept to resettle two million of Gazans in permanent refugee camps located in the Sinai peninsula?

Of course not. Why should Egypt accept the settlement of two million (radicalized) "Palestinians" anywhere on its territory? These people are not Egypt's problem and never will be.

Why "Palestinians" in quotes, and can a child of 14 become 'Radicalized' of their own volition to where it becomes genuinely their fault? Curious.

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I think the brutal truth is that the Egyptian government would rather the Israelis kill them (directly or indirectly) than have to look after 2 million refugees.

In that case, which party would be the main culprit: Egypt for not accepting them, or Israel for killing them? Should Egypt accept to resettle two million of Gazans in permanent refugee camps located in the Sinai peninsula?

Of course not. Why should Egypt accept the settlement of two million (radicalized) "Palestinians" anywhere on its territory? These people are not Egypt's problem and never will be.

Why "Palestinians" in quotes, and can a child of 14 become 'Radicalized' of their own volition to where it becomes genuinely their fault? Curious.

1. Because there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people.

2. Yes, of course. 14-year-olds are not empty moral vessels who cannot distinguish between right and wrong. The age of criminal responsibility in most countries of the world is much lower. (And the average "Palestinian" is not a 14-year old in the first place.)

You are disgusting. That's all I'm going to bother saying, or debating, with your ilk.

But at least you said it now rather than hiding behind the language of "Palestinians" and calling for the mass-genocide of children you've decided are wholly responsible for their own impoverishment. Better these things be said in the open, under the light of day, than in other dark recesses where you can later deny it.

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This guy fought with the Kurds in Syria and I've been following a lot of his content as he also works with very legitimate organizations that are helping to train Ukrainian recruits, too. He talks a bit about what the tunnel campaign in Gaza might be like compared to the tunnels the peshmerga had and, needless to say, it's pretty eye opening.

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About 500 killed in hospital airstrike, say Palestinian officals

Breaking now, words can't even describe...

The number of people killed has reached 500 following the alleged air strike on a hospital - according to the Gaza health ministry spokesman.

Meanwhile, Israeli army spokesperson says the cause of the incident not known and the army are looking into the details.

The BBC is working to verify details of the alleged incident.

Pictures emerging from Al Ahli Arab hospital show scenes of chaos - with bloodied and maimed casualties being rushed out on stretchers in the darkness.

Bodies and wrecked vehicles can be seen lying in the rubble strewn street outside.

Unconfirmed videos appeared to show a huge explosion shortly beforehand.

Hundreds of displaced people had been sheltering in a hall on the hospital grounds, according to locals.

Civil defence officials say the explosion was the result of an Israeli airstrike and that hundreds are trapped in the rubble. The Israeli military says it is looking into the incident.

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So instead of the BBC, I'm suppose to take a Twitter account with the tagline 'Israel’s enemies do not sleep. Neither do we.' word instead? I agree that no one should rush to assign blame during an active situation like this, which is why I posted the IDF's 'statement' that they were looking into it. I'll wait for more reputable sources to investigate before commenting further unlike some of the other zealots above.