Israel-Gaza war

[America Needs R'hllor]

Sorry, but anybody genuinely suggesting that anyone who has criticised Israel's conduct of this war is urging them to "surrender" simply betrays their total lack of both seriousness and perspective.

If it is indeed true the remaining hostages are dead, that is both tragic and outrageous. But given the fact one of even Netanyahu's stated war aims is to enable their release, from a purely utilitarian point of view it removes one barrier to a ceasefire rather than the other way around.

This isn't accurate - the hostages are the only way for a ceasefire with Hamas intact. Without the hostages, there's no stopping the IDF from eventually invading Rafah and fighting until Hamas is no longer able to function as the governing force of Gaza (for now).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1777393184340955409

Hamas likely killed all the hostages.

If that's confirmed, the odds are there is no force on Earth that can force Israel into a surrender.

There never was

No one was ever asking Israel to apart from the insane and-primarily-caricatures of people like me you invented in your own heads. It truly is amazing how the deaths of seven aid workers is seen-somehow-as irrelevant by people.

Get out into the real world every now and then.

Cool, now try responding to something I actually said rather than the insane caricatures you’ve invented in your own head of people like me.  It’s amazing how quick you are to resort to making outlandishly false claims about people you disagree with.

Get out into the real world every now and then.

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

Israel probably unknowingly killed some of the hostages during the bombing campaigns.

[Horus]

Tucker has started to criticize Israel more harshly and some forces on the right are displeased.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1777813118846214304?t=9j3FbTyDBjYxCbCB...

[OSR stands with Israel]

Tucker has started to criticize Israel more harshly and some forces on the right are displeased.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1777813118846214304?t=9j3FbTyDBjYxCbCB...

Tucker is disgusting

[Horus]

Tucker has started to criticize Israel more harshly and some forces on the right are displeased.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1777813118846214304?t=9j3FbTyDBjYxCbCB...

Tucker is disgusting

Hanania is worse, he said if a minor wanted to sell herself to Epstein for 10 million it should be legal so long as she and both parents agree. Then when he was criticized he called everyone lower class.

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1777524694809231393

[Horus]

Sorry, but anybody genuinely suggesting that anyone who has criticised Israel's conduct of this war is urging them to "surrender" simply betrays their total lack of both seriousness and perspective.

If it is indeed true the remaining hostages are dead, that is both tragic and outrageous. But given the fact one of even Netanyahu's stated war aims is to enable their release, from a purely utilitarian point of view it removes one barrier to a ceasefire rather than the other way around.

This totally ignores the most important aim of the war, which is to destroy Hamas and deter further attacks. It would be surrender to exit Gaza with that unfinished.

Tell me how Israel destroys Hamas to the point that a Hamas threat of an attack in the year 2030 is zero possibility short of going around and shooting all the 12-year-old boys in Gaza. Seriously, this is the main problem with Israel's strategy in this war. They have an objective there's no possible way they can control and their "day after" plan is at best ambiguous on details and at worst nonexistent, yet they act like this conflict will bring out final resolution. It's all very U.S. in Iraq early '00s.

Bold of you to assume Haley/Ryan wouldn't endorse shooting every 12 year old boy in Gaza.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Tucker has started to criticize Israel more harshly and some forces on the right are displeased.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1777813118846214304?t=9j3FbTyDBjYxCbCB...

Tucker is disgusting

Hanania is worse, he said if a minor wanted to sell herself to Epstein for 10 million it should be legal so long as she and both parents agree. Then when he was criticized he called everyone lower class.

I agree that he is even more disgusting then

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Tucker has started to criticize Israel more harshly and some forces on the right are displeased.

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1777813118846214304?t=9j3FbTyDBjYxCbCB...

Tucker has been an enemy of Israel for a long time, and he started talking about it from far-right approaches - "Why doesn't Israel have open borders while the ADL wants open borders here?" just to name one. If he's switching to more left-friendly talking points, it's because he sees an opening. Same as Candace Owens.

[GoTfan]

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1777393184340955409

Hamas likely killed all the hostages.

If that's confirmed, the odds are there is no force on Earth that can force Israel into a surrender.

There never was

No one was ever asking Israel to apart from the insane and-primarily-caricatures of people like me you invented in your own heads. It truly is amazing how the deaths of seven aid workers is seen-somehow-as irrelevant by people.

Get out into the real world every now and then.

Cool, now try responding to something I actually said rather than the insane caricatures you’ve invented in your own head of people like me.  It’s amazing how quick you are to resort to making outlandishly false claims about people you disagree with.

Get out into the real world every now and then.

Given how quickly you and others flipped from criticising Israel for killing aid workers to implying that their deaths don't count, I would say I'm taking your posts at face value.

Show me one post where I did that.  Oh wait, you can’t because I never did that.  Given that, I’d say you’re just lying about what I said like you generally do when someone disagrees with you.  It kind of seems to be your go to move these days, but we both knew that already.  I guess it could be that you’re not lying and are merely delusional.  I don’t mean that as a personal attack, I’m just stating a fact.  

I genuinely don’t know if you’re delusional or deliberately lying, but one of those is objectively true given the extent to which this sort of nonsense has been a long-standing and recurring issue with you on both atlas and discord alike.  Anyway, onto ignore you go!

Oh no. How will I survive this devastating announcement.

EDIT: Okay, on second thought, this was unfair. I apologise.

[CumbrianLefty]

Some are suggesting Trump might follow Carlson and Owens in pivoting to a more anti-Israel stance. Though unlike them, he depends crucially on the support of evangelical Christians for his electoral coalition - and they are arguably the most fanatically pro-Israel group of all.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Some are suggesting Trump might follow Carlson and Owens in pivoting to a more anti-Israel stance. Though unlike them, he depends crucially on the support of evangelical Christians for his electoral coalition - and they are arguably the most fanatically pro-Israel group of all.

Yep, and he obviously relies heavily on Ivanka and Kushner to manage him (since I barely believe he can tie his shoes by himself).

[Open Source Intelligence]

Sorry, but anybody genuinely suggesting that anyone who has criticised Israel's conduct of this war is urging them to "surrender" simply betrays their total lack of both seriousness and perspective.

If it is indeed true the remaining hostages are dead, that is both tragic and outrageous. But given the fact one of even Netanyahu's stated war aims is to enable their release, from a purely utilitarian point of view it removes one barrier to a ceasefire rather than the other way around.

This totally ignores the most important aim of the war, which is to destroy Hamas and deter further attacks. It would be surrender to exit Gaza with that unfinished.

Tell me how Israel destroys Hamas to the point that a Hamas threat of an attack in the year 2030 is zero possibility short of going around and shooting all the 12-year-old boys in Gaza. Seriously, this is the main problem with Israel's strategy in this war. They have an objective there's no possible way they can control and their "day after" plan is at best ambiguous on details and at worst nonexistent, yet they act like this conflict will bring out final resolution. It's all very U.S. in Iraq early '00s.

Bold of you to assume Haley/Ryan wouldn't endorse shooting every 12 year old boy in Gaza.

"Take disconnected person I don't like, assign to him/her an assumption they would do a horrid act to attempt to sidestep the point made and take the argument on a tangent, then hit enter."

Tell me how Israel destroys Hamas to the point that a Hamas threat of an attack in the year 2030 is zero possibility short of going around and shooting all the 12-year-old boys in Gaza. Seriously, this is the main problem with Israel's strategy in this war. They have an objective there's no possible way they can control and their "day after" plan is at best ambiguous on details and at worst nonexistent, yet they act like this conflict will bring out final resolution. It's all very U.S. in Iraq early '00s.

[Pres Mike]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

Sadly, self-sabotage (and sabotage of the entire community they claim to represent) has been a key trait of groups like this for decades. Not just among the Palestinian cause, either - terrorists really seem to believe that if they hit a powerful nation painfully enough, they'll just surrender.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Ismail Haniyah’s three sons and three grandsons have been killed in a strike.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Ismail Haniyah’s three sons and three grandsons have been killed in a strike.

All active Hamas members, it looks like - Israel is being very open about having taken them out.

[lfromnj]

Ameer, Hazem and Mohammed Haniyeh were killed near the Shati refugee camp in Gaza City, Hamas said. 

Looks like Hamas admitted it and also said it was near a refugee camp.

[Pres Mike]

Ok, so clearification

There are 133 hostages left. 30 of whom are confirmed dead

Israel wants 40 released in Phase 1. They would be women, men over the age of 50 and young men needing medical care

Hamas claims they do not have 40 hostages who meet the conditions above. Israel has conter asked for hostages that do not meet the above conditions to meet the 40 quota

The male to female ratio of the remaining hostages is unknown. Same for age or military/civilan

[Meclazine for Israel]

Where's the $8 Billion?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5k9APjugeJ/

I think we know where most of the money went now.

[GoTfan]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

Sadly, self-sabotage (and sabotage of the entire community they claim to represent) has been a key trait of groups like this for decades. Not just among the Palestinian cause, either - terrorists really seem to believe that if they hit a powerful nation painfully enough, they'll just surrender.

It's not exactly unexpected, is it? Another pattern with terrorist groups is that they seem to assume that everyone of the same faith will automatically be on their side. Granted, I think some Palestinians are more sympathetic to Hamas than they should be, but I do fear for the lives of the Palestinians who don't align with Hamas.

[AtorBoltox]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

Because making Jews suffer has always come before tactical considerations or anything else

[Flyersfan232]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

Sadly, self-sabotage (and sabotage of the entire community they claim to represent) has been a key trait of groups like this for decades. Not just among the Palestinian cause, either - terrorists really seem to believe that if they hit a powerful nation painfully enough, they'll just surrender.

they wont they will go down fighting they need to take as a many civilian to make israel look like the bad guys

[omar04]

Ismail Haniyah’s three sons and three grandsons have been killed in a strike.

All active Hamas members, it looks like - Israel is being very open about having taken them out.

The three children killed were 4,8 and 10 years old respectively.